grew up catholic believing you sinned confessed over and over and God decided your fate then went into A.A but nothing about either of then got me the faith that comes from God then I went study the bible and found out you must be saved to get to heaven got saved so say the world's way a hundred plus times then through his word and many mistakes got the truth from God and his word getting saved as John 12:46 puts in I have come a light into this world so that whosoever believeth in me shall not abide in darkness I don't know about you people but to me that means the getting saved like Jesus says in his word is going from sinful nature to spiritual nature with his help and guidance of course but bottom line sinners will not enter the kingdom of heaven